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commitee, to help decide on the teams to be allowed for the contest and
actually choose a winner. This is going to be hard for a Java guy to tell
which cat app is actually better.

So if a Perl Pro or even a cat hacker is on the list who lives near
N=FCrnberg, Germany, this is your chance to become known in the enterprise
world (become a star, get rich, well maybe).

Should the teams be coordinate here or just apply themselves and we'll see
how it works out.
(I know the we'll see approach from $work, which usually means, well do it
next year... and then next year)

I'm going to inform my local perl group, maybe we'll get a team of catalyst
hackers together.

Any core or near core cat developers living near N=FCrnberg and are willing=
 to
join?

BR

+rl

On 10/12/06, Sascha Kiefer <sk at intertivity.com> wrote:
>
> Okay. It's done.
> Perl is now among the choices: http://www.plat-forms.org/
> (http://www.plat-forms.org/faq.htm)
> But we just won a battle, not the war yet.
> So, lets bring it on.
>
> We should at least get 2 teams that already live in germany.
> And maybe we can give a cent ot two for a foreign team.
>
> Myself is living in dubai right now. so i'm not sure if I'm able to
> participate at all.
>
> Hang loose,
> --esskar
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: catalyst-bounces at lists.rawmode.org
> > [mailto:catalyst-bounces at lists.rawmode.org] On Behalf Of Dami
> > Laurent (PJ)
> > Sent: Donnerstag, 12. Oktober 2006 16:22
> > To: The elegant MVC web framework
> > Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Gentlemen, a call to arms!
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > De : catalyst-bounces at lists.rawmode.org
> > > [mailto:catalyst-bounces at lists.rawmode.org] De la part de John
> > > Napiorkowski Envoy=E9 : mercredi, 11. octobre 2006 22:15 =C0 :
> > The elegant
> > > MVC web framework Objet : Re: [Catalyst] Gentlemen, a call to arms!
> > >
> > > -- Matt S Trout <dbix-class at trout.me.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://www.plat-forms.org/faq.htm
> > > >
> > > > They're having a platform war. We're forever left out of
> > > the ruby vs.
> > > > python games, the "enterprise" people ignore us (though
> > really, I'm
> > > > not sure I mind that :) but ...
> > > >
> > > > "We have been considering Perl as one of the platforms to
> > > be admitted
> > > > to the contest. So far, we have decided against it because
> > > we believe
> > > > that too few professionals use it professionally for us to
> > > hope to get
> > > > enough requests for admittance for the Perl platform.
> > > >
> > > > If you are a team that would like to participate and would
> > > like to use
> > > > Perl, please contact prechelt at inf.fu-berlin.de (Lutz Prechelt)."
> > > >
> > > > This is a bit of a shotgun e-mail. Several list admins
> > are probably
> > > > going to attempt to track me down and shoot me in the
> > head. I don't
> > > > care.
> > > >
> > > > Our community has repeatedly failed to market it's way out
> > > of a paper
> > > > bag, I've even helped contribute to this with my eminently
> > > forgettable
> > > > London Web Frameworks Night talk. But this is about
> > > producing working
> > > > code. *That* we know we can do.
> > > >
> > > > Stand up and be counted. It's gotta be good for a laugh
> > if nothing
> > > > else.
> > >
> > > From reading that webpage I think they are looking more for
> > requests
> > > from teams that would actually be willing to go to Germany on the
> > > competition date.  I'm not sure if we all just wrote, "Hey
> > I'm an IT
> > > consultant using Perl/Catalyst or Perl/FrameworkOfChoice
> > and think you
> > > are making a big mistake not putting Perl on your list." if
> > that would
> > > sway them.
> > >
> > > They are betting no one will put up the cash to sponsor a
> > Perl team.
> > > And they are looking for several teams for each platform, enough to
> > > make a contest between developers in a platform meaningful.
> > >
> > > The rules specify that they won't be comparing platforms, so their
> > > won't be any, "Perl versus ROR verus J2EE" going on.
> > > So that's why they want enough people for a given platform
> > to show up.
> > >
> > > Now if we could identify some awesome Catalyst developers who could
> > > are willing and available to go to the contest and then
> > raise money to
> > > send them I think it could raise their attention.  We have
> > to decide
> > > if this particular contest represents a good investment of our time
> > > and cash.  Perhaps some of the local or reasonable local
> > Perl Mongers
> > > could send some teams?  It would show the strength of the community.
> > >
> > > Anyone know more about the actual status and recognition of this
> > > contest?  Would having perl programmers at it meaningfully
> > add to our
> > > mindshare in the enterprise?
> > >
> > > --john
> > >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I think this contest is a very good opportunity for Perl and
> > Catalyst to get more recognition. About the status of this
> > contest, I guess nobody knows much more than what is on the
> > website, but I can imagine that the final report will have
> > quite a broad audience. The previous paper by Lutz Prechelt
> > (An empirical comparison of seven programming languages) is
> > cited quite often, as it is one of the very few sources for a
> > fully objective comparison of several languages, ignoring the
> > hype and religious wars.
> >
> > As John wrote, the best way to convince the organisers to
> > change their mind is if they get several requests from Perl
> > teams to participate in the contest. The call for
> > participation says "Preferably, all three participants should
> > come from the same organization". So, if your organisation is
> > using Perl/Catalyst  -- I hope there are more than a few
> > nowadays -- , then please write to the contest organizers
> > saying that you would like a Perl track to be opened. Also,
> > we should probably alert the Jifty, Maypole,
> > CGI::Application, etc. communities to join that lobbying effort.
> >
> > Laurent Dami.
> >
> >
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